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Name: Poor Ol' Pitiful Jack (Jack Tale #1)
Owner: old joe clark
Country: USA
Region: North Carolina
Near: Glen Alpine
WGS84: N35° 49.889 W081° 51.827

Hidden: 2003-09-30
Cache type: multi
Difficulty: 2 out of 5
Terrain: 3 out of 5
Environment: safe,kids,placed without permission,public,free,24x7,no parking,no handicap access,dogs
Average rating: not enough logs to calculate
Other ratings: Handicaching
Waypoint: GE001B
Nearest: GPSgames  Groundspeak
Watches: old joe clark
Ignores: 0


I hadn't heard from Jack in several years.......till last night. Jack is a non-conformist. Just doesn't get along well in society. He's an extremely smart and creative guy, but he just doesn't like rules. He'd rather do things his way and that always gets him in trouble. Looks like he's really gone off the deep end this time.

Jack called me via Ham Radio last night. Somehow he remembered our old simplex frequency. It has been very quiet lately, but about 9pm last night Jack shows up calling me. His signal was weak and noisy. It was obvious he was not close by. I almost didn't answer. I figured it would cost me a trip out into the night to help get him out of some kind of trouble. After about the 3rd call I couldn't just leave him hanging, so I answered. This was the strangest call I've ever had from him.

Jack told me he was parked at the end of a road by a forest service gate and was going to walk into the woods and live the rest of his days alone. I tried to reason with him, telling him he'd just freeze or starve to death this winter. I offered monetary help, if that was his problem. He wouldn't listen. He said he'd spent all his money on provisions and created survival caches all through the mountains to live on.

His signal was very noisy and he kept dropping out for a syllable or two. He just wanted to say a final Goodbye, and tell me that he'd left some extra stuff hidden. He didn't need it, and wanted me to try and pick it up. He was going to try and give me gps coodinates and clues to find the stash with. The following is a transcript of that part of our conversation. Keep in mind he was noisy, and finally admitted the batteries on his ht were dying.

I found Jack's clues and his stash, but his clues only meant something to me because I know how he thinks. Jack and I both like the high and lonesome places. This one is more lonesome than high, but there is still a good view in the winter. There is also a nice surprise created by water and gravity near the end. I decided his stash would make a good geocache and left it in place. On the way out I reworked his clues into a form that I hope you can use to find the stash. Here's the last part of the conversation:

Jack: "I said I left a ............full of..........and other stuff in the woods for ya.

Me: "Well where is it Jack? I'll need some clues to find it. You frequent so many places in the hills I'd never be able to check them all."

Jack: "Man, I think my batteries...............don't have spares with me. Park at 35 degrees and 49.889 minutes north by 81 ...rees and 51.827 minutes west................ forest.. .........gate. Over."

Me: "I got the coords Jack, but you dropped out after that except for something about a forest service gate. What else did you say. Where do I go after I park?

Jack: "Batt...dying. Look.........left gate post, then ... posts left. Info on

Me: "Jack, I didn't get much of that, but I think I know what you mean. Are you saying there is a clue near to or left of the left gate post??

Jack: "Rog.....two posts.......gate can find....... luck old man.

And that's the last I heard of him.

To find Jack's stash you'll need info from that conversation plus the following info. Some of the numbers needed below can be found at home using and Easygps's active waypoint feature. Or, you can have all the caches listed in your gps and find the numbers after you reach the parking spot.

(I'd do it at home)

PlainJane brought it to my attention that clicking "all nearby caches" on GCHCY8 at will do it too. That is by far the best way. Thanks PlainJane!!

Solve the following (round to nearest whole number):
(The following waypoints are listed at

S = number of miles from parking coordinates to GCDD7C (Hunt For Red October)

T = number of FINDS on GC8CB8 before November 1, 2003 (Upper Creek Cache)

Archived - enter GC8CB8 on "Hide and Seek Page" for data............

W = number of miles from parking coordinates to GC66EE (Jump Here)

X = number of houses on road after leaving pavement

Y = number of miles from parking coordinates to GC3A44 (HAWK 13)

Z = number of miles from parking coordinates to GC3219 MINUS 5 (Z=miles-5) (Cool Dip and a Cave Too)

Leave pavement at: N35 49.619 W081 49.688 Fire Road 118 (see map photo below)
Parking: N35 49.889 W081 51.827

You may hike, ride a bike or ride horseback to the area of the cache. You will have to take a foot path for several hundred feet and bushwhack a little near the end, so be prepared to hide your bike if you use it. It is approximately 2.5 miles (by the forest road) from the parking spot to the cache, one way. You will probably need to consult maps to find this parking area. There is only one way to get there by motor vehicle.

There are clues hidden in two spots. At the parking area you will find clue 1 which will give coordinate info and a verbal clue for finding clue 2. The coordinates for clue 2 will take you to a slab of stone standing almost vertically. Within a few feet of this stone you will find two round metal sighting devices (dime sized)about a foot apart. Sighting from the southernmost one through the northernmost one will show you where to find clue 2. There you will find coordinate info and a verbal clue for the final cache location.

Stay on the main forest road till you come to a creek about 940 feet from the cache. You will find a faint trail up this creek. You may have to cross back and forth several times, but eventually you'll want to cross to the north side and stay there. There is a very faint trail up the creek. You may have to bushwhack some if you lose the trail. In places, someone has marked it with surveyor's tape, (not me) but it is still a little hard to follow. The cache is hidden just off the trail. Make sure you put natural materials back so that it can't be seen.

NOTE: All the usual disclaimers apply. This is a backwoods cache in rough country. All the forces of nature have been at work here creating a very wild and beautiful place. I saw a bobcat on the way in when doing the final work on the clues. This is a bear sanctuary and the usual snakes, bees, insects and poisonous plants are around. There are dead trees in the woods, and I'm sure some of them fall in windy weather. Keep your eyes open and be careful. The first 2.5 miles along the forest road are easy no matter how you travel. The final few hundred feet to the cache is a very faint trail along a creek and becomes a steep climb near the end. If you are in poor condition, or have medical conditions such that you could have trouble traveling on foot in rough country, then please don't try it.

Poison Plant Alert Dogs Allowed Dogs Allowed
Bicycles permitted on paths Bicycles permitted on paths Hunting in area - use caution Hunting in area - use caution More than Half a Mile from Trailhead More than Half a Mile from Trailhead Equestrian Trail Equestrian Trail Available in Winter Accessible in Winter
Compass Compass Suggested / Required
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Edited: 2007-07-10 13:32:37 UTC
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