"Mike Teague" <>
Sent: 9/14/2000 4:16:34 PM

Re: [gpsstash] Geocaching and letterboxing (ad nauseum)

one thing occurs to me after watching this debate... I've been able to run
the existing gps stash page since the inception of the game, at no cost
other than the couple hours a week it takes to add new caches, etc.... just
using the free diskspace included with my monthly ISP dialup fee.... granted
it is not as flashy and might not have as much functionality, but it's
worked! All the information needed to participate in the game is there....
i've concentrated on keeping the "master list" up to date, usually adding
new stashes within hours of receiving the email....

I personally dont mind the ads, or .com's but I wouldn't have ever tried to
incorporate letterboxing into the site, I think you goofed there Jeremy...
let them handle their game, we will handle ours.. give them a link, and
leave it at that..

PS.. $490 grand of tents from REI aint too many.. you seen their prices?!?!?
heheeee :)

Mike Teague -

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Irish
Date: Thursday, September 14, 2000 1:03 PM
Subject: [gpsstash] Geocaching and letterboxing (ad nauseum)

>My responses and opinions. Please give me a fair shake. There is no
>motive here, so don't chew my head off.
>I made a conscious decison to use dot com, not for the COMmerce but because
>people on the whole are still used to typing dot com at the end of
>everything. I do not plan to go IPO or make any kind of money (profit) on
>the site. At the time I was only willing to spend money on one domain name
>(well two, with the alternate cashing spelling). was not an
>option as was registered by someone else. I didn't want to
>confuse people with two owners of two sites when they dropped the .org
>I have been building sites for a while now and understand a lot about how
>people surf the web. Dot Com is best understood so I went that way. There
>was no secret plan to dominate the universe or anything. No need to
>me as bourgeois (read: capitalist pig).
>ADs and making Moolah (cash$)
>If anyone out there has ever had advertising on a site, they realize that a
>site with even a million pageviews a month won't make that much in revenue.
>I've already spent a lot of time designing the site, working on the
>database, and adding functionality. I do this because I like to work on
>"cool tech" things, and this is an outlet for some experimentation. There
>no alterior motive. Whatever I get in ad revenue (which I haven't made a
>dime yet, by the way), helps me pay for the domain name registration, and
>new tech for the web site. There is no business here.
>I will be honest and say from the outset that I considered ways to make
>money from geocaching. There is none (It's a hobby!). Advertising will
>never be enough to cover the expenses of creating the site. I don't expect
>anyone to pay for anything. I do not receive revenue for people looking at
>the banner (go to to see how it works). Any money I do get
>will be if someone purchases a product from that company. So if you don't
>like the advertising, don't click on the link and buy anything.
>I think I'll modify the REI ad. The flashing text really bugs me.
>The math:
>So far I've registered,,,
> At around 35 bucks a pop, it starts to get downright
>expensive. I also own SQL Server 7, Windows NT, currently an ADSL line (and
>future colocation expense), Visual InterDev, and a Dell Server that is
>(right now) solely used to host the site. Overall I've spent around $5k on
>Geocaching. I'm not telling you this as a "poor me," but as an indication
>my commitment to the project. To recoop my cost, you geocachers would have
>to buy $490,000 in product (from my web site) to REI. That's a lot of
>Seems that I opened a can of worms on this one. I was unaware of the fact
>that people were so protective of their clues to letterboxes. I do not have
>enough time to debate any more with the folks. Perhaps when I
>have more time we can have an objective (and friendly) conversation. For
>I'll just provide a link to their web site.
>I pledge to the geocaching group that any and all monies received for the
>site will go back into the project to enhance features to the game (and
>hopefully make it more interesting). Geocaching is a new sport, and in my
>opinion, has a lot of room for creativity. I always enjoy receiving
>constructive feedback from the group, and recommendations for improvement
>are great!
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