From:
a clever sheep <aard@aard.org>
Sent: 6/12/2001 10:07:24 AM
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Re: [gpsstash] Tyrant Webmasters vs Truth


On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 05:45:26AM -0700, Dave Ulmer wrote:
>
> Well, I sure learned a lesson about the WWW, it is certainly a breeding
> ground for Tyrants and their Cronies. I wonder how this power of the

i tend to think of this as a 'feature' of the web rather than a 'bug'.

the thing is: no matter what you say or do on your web site, every person
on the planet is free to make their own and say and do whatever they want
on it.

i noticed Jeremy was trying to push the conversation away from the mailing
list and to his web forums some time ago which frustrated me. i do not
like web forums (purely aesthetic, i'm sure). i also do not like not
knowing who is 'moderating' my conversation - i'm much more inclined to
participate in a forum where there is no moderation (excepting to remove
illegal or improper (as in, software piracy) posts), or where i'm
very familiar with the moderator and know that my views won't be
censored simply because they dissent. but i digress.

the problem here is that geocaching is not represented widely enough on
the web. there is one 'de-facto' site which leaves way too much power to
one person (or group). you see these things happen (microsoft) in other
places in the computer world. it's not that microsoft intends to develop
an inferior product - there's just no competition to keep them trying to
lure people into using their product, or add innovation to it. it's the
same (sort-of) with geocaching - there's no reason for anyone to be
careful about censorship because basically there's one web site and that's
that. if you don't like that site, or the forums, you're pretty much
screwed, beacuse nobody has bothered creating a site that can compete
(probably because geocaching.com is so feature-rich, was obviously
time-consuming to put together, does have the prime domain name, and
obviously has all of the data). don't get me wrong, i really do like
geocaching.com a lot - even if the data isn't available how i'd like it to
be (csv, xml). it certainly is one of the more pleasant web sites to
visit. the issues that i have are largely with the way that geocaching is
architectured - and there will always be issues with that since it's a
volunteer game (and web site).

i'm not trying to vilify anyone here. i'm just advocating that
competition is healthy in the business world, and i think it would be
healthy here. after all, you are here, discussing geocaching (uncensored,
i might add), and this list is certainly competition to the web forums.

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