From:
Dustin Sallings <dustin+yahoo@spy.net>
Sent: 6/16/2001 9:15:25 PM
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Re: [gpsstash] Approach Codes, Enjoy!!


Around 21:30 on Jun 16, 2001, Randy Hall said:

Do any of these places list boundary points so that one can easily
tell whether the position is off limits or not? I've made a simple
application that uses boundary points to tell you about a position based
on latitude and longitude. Currently, I've just loaded the state
boundaries for testing, but, given the data, it'd be very easy to decide
whether a place is a ``good'' spot or not.

For an example (please keep in mind, I've only loaded the state
data for the US, so it's nothing magical, but the engine will work well):

http://bleu.west.spy.net/~dustin/geo/pointinfoform.jsp

#
# > I think the only place it's been "banned" from is the Boulder Open Spaces in
# > Colorado....
#
# > The National Park System has no official position on it that I'm aware of,
# > but in general, they have not been friendly. I wouldn't call it a "ban",
# > [...] Their concern was littering, as far as I can tell
#
# From NPS's "Morning Report" (source, NPS web site --
# http://www.nps.gov/morningreport/msg00806.html):
#
# [Jeremy Irish] was very surprised that geocaching is illegal in
# NPS areas, and understood NPS concerns about the damage geocaching
# has and can cause to historic, archeological and natural sites.
#
# Sounds like a ban to me. Sounds like the issue is bigger than "littering".
#
# From Jeremy Irish on 5/17/01:
#
# A memo went out recently informing Georgia State park authorities
# that caches in their parks are now banned and that the officials
# need to remove them.
#
# A more telling question might be: On what public lands has geocaching
# been _embraced_ by the land managers who know about it? Then one can
# take an objective look at the probability profile of the pastime's
# acceptance by land managers, and its prognosis in its current form
# and state of land manager education.
#
# Continuing ...
#
# > So... Actually what i'm getting at is, what causes more damage... 10 people
# > coming in from all different directions, or 10 coming in thru your specific
# > "approach codes" ? How do YOU know you have the best route?
#
# No one knows the best route, except perhaps the land managers. That
# is the point. If you don't work with them, and trample some mouse
# (e.g. the Boulder article) to extinction, the pastime may get a
# bad name, and it may get banned elsewhere. It doesn't matter
# whether or not the people on this list think there is environmental
# impact, nor does it matter wheter or not there is actually any
# environmental impact. What does matter is what the people _not_ on
# this list think, i.e., the land managers and the green lobby.
#
# I am involved very heavily with amateur off-trail sports. Every
# such sport I know of has had to deal with this at one point in its
# history. Believe me, its more fun when you are accepted by the
# land managers, and they _ask_ you to bring your sport into their
# park. Perhaps geocaching will find a way not to have to deal
# with it, but IMHO, the odds of that are low.
#
# A proactive stance before a bad reputation develops may be wise.
#
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