From:
"Mike Teague" <kvuo@earthlink.net>
Sent: 6/16/2001 7:43:21 PM
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Re: [gpsstash] Approach Codes, Enjoy!!


First of all, geocaching never stagnated.. You quit after a month.... My
site was a TEMPORARY SITE, and even IT never stagnated...

I think the only place it's been "banned" from is the Boulder Open Spaces in
Colorado.... They were the only ones who cited their perceived damage caused
by off-trail foot travel...

The National Park System has no official position on it that I'm aware of,
but in general, they have not been friendly. I wouldn't call it a "ban", but
one statement from one national park ranger has had that effect..... Their
concern was littering, as far as I can tell... Besides, There's only 1 real
national park in Oregon (crater lake), and only 3 in WA (ranier, olympic,
and north cascades)...

So... Actually what i'm getting at is, what causes more damage... 10 people
coming in from all different directions, or 10 coming in thru your specific
"approach codes" ? How do YOU know you have the best route?

Again, just because you screwed up on APE #2, doesnt mean everyone else
does... In fact, I think you're the only one who approached the wrong way..
Everyone else had the brains to go find the trailhead 200 METERS UP THE
ROAD..














Mike Teague -- http://home.earthlink.net/~kvuo/



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Ulmer"
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [gpsstash] Approach Codes, Enjoy!!


> The real reason I quit geocaching is that the sport stagnated before its
> development could be completed. Now it is just irresponsible people
> doing irresponsible things.
>
> Just look at all the negativity in this thread about Approach Codes, in
> most cases all that would be needed is something like 211d440m added to
> a cache description. This would indicate the location of a trailhead. Is
> this too much to ask?
>
> I mean geocaching has already been banned from many locations because of
> its inherent approach problems. GPS's only guide you straight to your
> goal, they know nothing about staying on established trails. The people
> who banned the sport are not idiots like you may think. Soon I expect
> the entire sport will be banned worldwide!
>
> Dave...
>
>
>
> Mike Teague wrote:
> >
> > same rule applies.. how many people does it take to cause the type of
> > evidence you are afraid of?
> >
> > 1 person to 1 cache? 2 people to 2 caches? 10 people to 1 cache? 1000
people
> > to 650 caches? 10000 people to 2000 caches (I think that is the current
> > distribution, in reality -- I forget..)
> >
> > You did say, "multiply my experiences by many thousands", as if any
> > particular geocache (or one of your Wonderts) will get that kind of
> > traffic... Even if you didn't mean it that way, A little impact spread
out
> > as it is does not cause even an eyesore, much less environmental
> > "damage"....
> >
> > Perhaps we must all remember we all are destroying the atmosphere (and
> > presumably, the earth)with every exhaled breath... That damned carbon
> > dioxide... Your environmental concerns are a waste of that breath,
Dave...
> > You have probably caused more so-called damage, using your own
definition
> > than ANYONE! (I bring up your digging and trespassing and trampling of
> > brush again)
> >
> > Why don't you tell everyone the REAL reason you quit geocaching?
> >
> > Mike Teague -- http://home.earthlink.net/~kvuo/
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Ulmer"
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 3:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [gpsstash] Approach Codes, Enjoy!!
> >
> > > Hey, Wake up Mike!! I wasn't talking about thousands of people
visiting
> > > one cache. I was talking about thousands of people visiting thousands
of
> > > caches.
> > >
> > > Dave...
> > >
> >
> > The gpsstash page
> > http://www.geocaching.com
> > The GPS Stash Hunt page.
> > http://www.triax.com/~yngwie/gps.html
> >
> > GeoCache HQ
> > http://www.braveheart.com.au
> > GPS Stash Hunt FAQ :
> > http://www.triax.com/~yngwie/stashfaq.txt
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> >
> >
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> The gpsstash page
> http://www.geocaching.com
> The GPS Stash Hunt page.
> http://www.triax.com/~yngwie/gps.html
>
> GeoCache HQ
> http://www.braveheart.com.au
> GPS Stash Hunt FAQ :
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