From:
"Mike Teague" <kvuo@earthlink.net>
Sent: 6/16/2001 9:40:26 PM
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Re: [gpsstash] Approach Codes, Enjoy!!


I think a general rule to go by is geocache on any land owned by the
government, unless expressly told to do otherwise... YMMV..

Government owns a lot of property when you consider
city/county/state/federal....

As to how to tell who owns what, common sense, or perhaps some good maps
will help...

If in doubt, do some research...











Mike Teague -- http://home.earthlink.net/~kvuo/



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dustin Sallings"
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [gpsstash] Approach Codes, Enjoy!!


> Around 21:30 on Jun 16, 2001, Randy Hall said:
>
> Do any of these places list boundary points so that one can easily
> tell whether the position is off limits or not? I've made a simple
> application that uses boundary points to tell you about a position based
> on latitude and longitude. Currently, I've just loaded the state
> boundaries for testing, but, given the data, it'd be very easy to decide
> whether a place is a ``good'' spot or not.
>
> For an example (please keep in mind, I've only loaded the state
> data for the US, so it's nothing magical, but the engine will work well):
>
> http://bleu.west.spy.net/~dustin/geo/pointinfoform.jsp
>
> #
> # > I think the only place it's been "banned" from is the Boulder Open
Spaces in
> # > Colorado....
> #
> # > The National Park System has no official position on it that I'm aware
of,
> # > but in general, they have not been friendly. I wouldn't call it a
"ban",
> # > [...] Their concern was littering, as far as I can tell
> #
> # From NPS's "Morning Report" (source, NPS web site --
> # http://www.nps.gov/morningreport/msg00806.html):
> #
> # [Jeremy Irish] was very surprised that geocaching is illegal in
> # NPS areas, and understood NPS concerns about the damage geocaching
> # has and can cause to historic, archeological and natural sites.
> #
> # Sounds like a ban to me. Sounds like the issue is bigger than
"littering".
> #
> # From Jeremy Irish on 5/17/01:
> #
> # A memo went out recently informing Georgia State park authorities
> # that caches in their parks are now banned and that the officials
> # need to remove them.
> #
> # A more telling question might be: On what public lands has geocaching
> # been _embraced_ by the land managers who know about it? Then one can
> # take an objective look at the probability profile of the pastime's
> # acceptance by land managers, and its prognosis in its current form
> # and state of land manager education.
> #
> # Continuing ...
> #
> # > So... Actually what i'm getting at is, what causes more damage... 10
people
> # > coming in from all different directions, or 10 coming in thru your
specific
> # > "approach codes" ? How do YOU know you have the best route?
> #
> # No one knows the best route, except perhaps the land managers. That
> # is the point. If you don't work with them, and trample some mouse
> # (e.g. the Boulder article) to extinction, the pastime may get a
> # bad name, and it may get banned elsewhere. It doesn't matter
> # whether or not the people on this list think there is environmental
> # impact, nor does it matter wheter or not there is actually any
> # environmental impact. What does matter is what the people _not_ on
> # this list think, i.e., the land managers and the green lobby.
> #
> # I am involved very heavily with amateur off-trail sports. Every
> # such sport I know of has had to deal with this at one point in its
> # history. Believe me, its more fun when you are accepted by the
> # land managers, and they _ask_ you to bring your sport into their
> # park. Perhaps geocaching will find a way not to have to deal
> # with it, but IMHO, the odds of that are low.
> #
> # A proactive stance before a bad reputation develops may be wise.
> #
> # Cheers
> #
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> # The GPS Stash Hunt page.
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> #
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