From:
"Glen Bolen" <glen@frego.com>
Sent: 6/7/2001 11:30:49 AM
To:
gpsstash@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject:

Published


Hey, check out Canoe and Kayak Magazine's July issue.

There is a picture of me with my John Day River stash.

Unfortunately, the story talks about some guy from New York.

Glen

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Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:23 AM
To: gpsstash@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gpsstash] Digest Number 285


The gpsstash page
http://www.geocaching.com
The GPS Stash Hunt page.
http://www.triax.com/~yngwie/gps.html

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There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Digest Number 284
From: Randy Hall
2. The Grounded Inc copyright issue just got Slashdotted...
From: "Greg White"
3. Re: A new variant of geocaching
From: tkraft@thermofinnigan.com
4. Re: Re: A new variant of geocaching
From: Dave Ulmer
5. RE: Re: A new variant of geocaching
From: "gary"
6. "looking at the junk in the stash"
From: "GC Scout"
7. Re: "looking at the junk in the stash"
From: Terry Dunlap
8. what's lost by legitimizing geocaching
From: "GC Scout"
9. RE: what's lost by legitimizing geocaching
From: "gary"
10. Re: what's lost by legitimizing geocaching
From: Terry Dunlap


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 07:54:14 -0400
From: Randy Hall
Subject: Re: Digest Number 284


> OK, I was feeling a bit like the honorable William Jefferson Clinton for a
> minute there, i.e. wrongly accused.
>
> That message came from randy@mapsurfer.com

Sorry if I said something wrong. I did not think the fact that
Grounded Inc. was making revenue from the game was in dispute,
although technically this is speculative from my point of view.

Sources possibly include one or more of the following -- commissions
on the sale of gps receivers, web advertising, licensing deals, and
clothing.

That wasn't the point. As long as its legal, they can collect as
much revenue as they want to offset costs of operating the site,
pay salaries, make a buck, etc, for all I care. I'm a capitalist.
If Jeremy can quit his day job, good for him. The point was that
the business model requires the goodwill of land owners and land
managers (as well as everyone else) to work, and they should
possibly be asked.

Moreover, it would be nice to know that a cache I am hunting has
the good graces of the land owner or manager before going out.
Caches _have_ required trespass to find, without warning, and I
would not want a landowner coming at me with a shotgun or a ranger
coming at me with a citation because I did not know what was going on.
I do not think this is difficult to understand, nor unreasonable.
Sorry if my first post wasn't clearer.

Perhaps it is on me to find these details out before hunting. However,
if 20 people hunt a cache, 20 people have to do this work. If the
hunter does the work, and provides it as a checkbox with the cache,
then one person has to do the work, and more goodwill is fostered up
front. I think in the long run, this will be necessary, as more land
owners hear about trespass and more rangers hear about caches in sensitive
areas.

And I'm sure if you wanted to play badminton at an off-trail location
at a park, you would have to get permission from the rangers. Sport
orienteering and rogaining, sports which place "flags in the park" for
people to hunt (sometimes with GPS receivers in some variants of
rogaining), without fail require written permission from the landowner to
proceed.

Cheers


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:22:15 -0400
From: "Greg White"
Subject: The Grounded Inc copyright issue just got Slashdotted...

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/05/2222249&mode=thread

42° 21'55.1" N
71° 05'41.3" W



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:13:41 -0000
From: tkraft@thermofinnigan.com
Subject: Re: A new variant of geocaching

What about linking in the use of a compass for taking pictures on a
particular bearing. Or maybe the contest coordinator uses a topo,
draws a connect the dots picture of a clue to solve a riddle. The
contestants follow the route, get a picture drawn onto their display
and then solve the puzzle. I think there is a way to work puzzles
into the game to make it a little more difficult than just following
the GPS from point to point.
-Toby

--- In gpsstash@y..., Mike Gormley wrote:
> This is no different than going to the park for a badmitten game.
You take your
> equipment, use it, and take it back home.
>
>
> gary wrote:
>
> > And these flags are not littering the parks???????
> >
> > To be honest, geocaching in itself is too easy once you
are "there". Now
> > getting "there" is 3/4 of the fun.
> >
> > Personally, ham radio transmitter hunting is a hell of a lot more
difficult.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > The hunt organizer in advance goes to certain waypoints (lets
say
> > > 10 of them
> > > within an area) and plants a ribbon, flag, etc. which will be
> > > recognized by
> > > the hunters. At this location are the coordinates for the next
> > > check point
> > > (flag) to be found. The multiple flags (enough for all
> > > participants) could
> > > be taken as proof of finding the site or perhaps a log signed
or even 10
> > > people stationed at the flag sites to log them in with times.
> > >
> > > Winners could be those finding the most flags, with the minimal
amount of
> > > time, but that which does not go below a speed limit minimum.
> > > (Some sort of
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:27:19 -0700
From: Dave Ulmer
Subject: Re: Re: A new variant of geocaching

Interesting idea! Maybe you would like to join us over at the GPSgames
group at yahoogroups.com. We are looking for new members and working on
new game ideas.

Welcome all game developers!!

Dave...



tkraft@thermofinnigan.com wrote:
>
> What about linking in the use of a compass for taking pictures on a
> particular bearing. Or maybe the contest coordinator uses a topo,
> draws a connect the dots picture of a clue to solve a riddle. The
> contestants follow the route, get a picture drawn onto their display
> and then solve the puzzle. I think there is a way to work puzzles
> into the game to make it a little more difficult than just following
> the GPS from point to point.
> -Toby
>
> --- In gpsstash@y..., Mike Gormley wrote:
> > This is no different than going to the park for a badmitten game.
> You take your
> > equipment, use it, and take it back home.
> >
> >
> > gary wrote:
> >
> > > And these flags are not littering the parks???????
> > >
> > > To be honest, geocaching in itself is too easy once you
> are "there". Now
> > > getting "there" is 3/4 of the fun.
> > >
> > > Personally, ham radio transmitter hunting is a hell of a lot more
> difficult.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > The hunt organizer in advance goes to certain waypoints (lets
> say
> > > > 10 of them
> > > > within an area) and plants a ribbon, flag, etc. which will be
> > > > recognized by
> > > > the hunters. At this location are the coordinates for the next
> > > > check point
> > > > (flag) to be found. The multiple flags (enough for all
> > > > participants) could
> > > > be taken as proof of finding the site or perhaps a log signed
> or even 10
> > > > people stationed at the flag sites to log them in with times.
> > > >
> > > > Winners could be those finding the most flags, with the minimal
> amount of
> > > > time, but that which does not go below a speed limit minimum.
> > > > (Some sort of
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> The gpsstash page
> http://www.geocaching.com
> The GPS Stash Hunt page.
> http://www.triax.com/~yngwie/gps.html
>
> GeoCache HQ
> http://www.braveheart.com.au
> GPS Stash Hunt FAQ :
> http://www.triax.com/~yngwie/stashfaq.txt
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> gpsstash-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:08:01 -0700
From: "gary"
Subject: RE: Re: A new variant of geocaching

There are all sorts of numbered "things" in parks, such as markers for fire
roads, water tank ID's, etc. I suppose you could make a riddle where you had
to visit all the sites, find the number, then enter the numbers from various
sites into a webpage in sequence. Still, it sounds kind of lame. Half the
fun is looking at the junk in the stash. I've worked hard looking for weird
stuff to put in stashes. For instance, I came across some Star Trek Voyager
bandages at McFrugals. I got a model Razor scooter (pocket size) at Fry's
Electronics with (oh boy) real moving wheels. Now wouldn't you climb a hill,
risking poison oak and ticks, to get such treasure?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tkraft@thermofinnigan.com [mailto:tkraft@thermofinnigan.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:14 AM
> To: gpsstash@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [gpsstash] Re: A new variant of geocaching
>
>
> What about linking in the use of a compass for taking pictures on a
> particular bearing. Or maybe the contest coordinator uses a topo,
> draws a connect the dots picture of a clue to solve a riddle. The
> contestants follow the route, get a picture drawn onto their display
> and then solve the puzzle. I think there is a way to work puzzles
> into the game to make it a little more difficult than just following
> the GPS from point to point.
> -Toby
>
>



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 13:28:58 -0500
From: "GC Scout"
Subject: "looking at the junk in the stash"

From: "gary"
>Half the fun is looking at the junk in the stash.

This seems to be a fault line along which geocachers split. For many, the
"treasure" hunt is the main attraction. For many others, the journey is the
thing. Finding the cache confirms the find; opening it is irrelevant.
There's room enough for both viewpoints.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 11:42:20 -0700
From: Terry Dunlap
Subject: Re: "looking at the junk in the stash"

Actually there is another aspect that I haven't seen discussed...
the whole covert thing. Hide a cache that won't be found by the
unwary and find a cache without being seen. I find that very
enticing. If and when this sport/game/hobby is "legitimized" by
official organizations, etc. it will have lost something in my
eyes.

Terry KK6T


At 01:28 PM 6/6/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>From: "gary"
> >Half the fun is looking at the junk in the stash.
>
>This seems to be a fault line along which geocachers split. For many, the
>"treasure" hunt is the main attraction. For many others, the journey is the
>thing. Finding the cache confirms the find; opening it is irrelevant.
>There's room enough for both viewpoints.
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>The gpsstash page
>http://www.geocaching.com
>The GPS Stash Hunt page.
>http://www.triax.com/~yngwie/gps.html
>
>GeoCache HQ
>http://www.braveheart.com.au
>GPS Stash Hunt FAQ :
>http://www.triax.com/~yngwie/stashfaq.txt
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 14:06:34 -0500
From: "GC Scout"
Subject: what's lost by legitimizing geocaching

From: Terry Dunlap
>Actually there is another aspect that I haven't seen discussed...
>the whole covert thing. Hide a cache that won't be found by the
>unwary and find a cache without being seen. I find that very
>enticing. If and when this sport/game/hobby is "legitimized" by
>official organizations, etc. it will have lost something in my
>eyes.

I haven't heard that point of view expressed before.

If I understand correctly, you are saying that part of the attraction of
geocaching is its hint of illegitimacy, its borderline illegality.
Kind of like when you were a kid and might sneak into the neighbor's yard at
night to pick an apple. Not something that's all that bad, but not something
you would want revealed, either.

I think that's going to be another fault line. I would guess that a lot of
geocachers would never condone even the hint of illegality.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:29:48 -0700
From: "gary"
Subject: RE: what's lost by legitimizing geocaching

Think of it as pushing the envelope. It is like paying your tax bill in
pennies: legal tender, but a pain in the ass for the IRS.
>



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 12:35:02 -0700
From: Terry Dunlap
Subject: Re: what's lost by legitimizing geocaching

I'm not condoning anything illegal.....I wouldn't be doing it
if it was illegal. I'm too old to fool around with stunts that
could get me arrested.

It's the whole idea that we are doing something (hiding or searching)
that the rest of people in the park or on the trail have no clue
is going on.

Terry KK6T



At 02:06 PM 6/6/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Terry Dunlap
> >Actually there is another aspect that I haven't seen discussed...
> >the whole covert thing. Hide a cache that won't be found by the
> >unwary and find a cache without being seen. I find that very
> >enticing. If and when this sport/game/hobby is "legitimized" by
> >official organizations, etc. it will have lost something in my
> >eyes.
>
>I haven't heard that point of view expressed before.
>
>If I understand correctly, you are saying that part of the attraction of
>geocaching is its hint of illegitimacy, its borderline illegality.
>Kind of like when you were a kid and might sneak into the neighbor's yard
at
>night to pick an apple. Not something that's all that bad, but not
something
>you would want revealed, either.
>
>I think that's going to be another fault line. I would guess that a lot of
>geocachers would never condone even the hint of illegality.
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>
>The gpsstash page
>http://www.geocaching.com
>The GPS Stash Hunt page.
>http://www.triax.com/~yngwie/gps.html
>
>GeoCache HQ
>http://www.braveheart.com.au
>GPS Stash Hunt FAQ :
>http://www.triax.com/~yngwie/stashfaq.txt
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