Sent: 6/7/2001 11:43:01 PM

Re: Vilifying Irish (Was: GEOCACHING Trademark application by Grounded Inc.)

--- In gpsstash@y..., "Neil R. Ormos" wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Jeremy Hurst wrote:
> > Interesting... Well if Jeremy Irish knew what was good for
> > the sport he wouldn't be trade-marking 'geocaching'.
> > Looks like he has one thing in mind. I'm glad I'll be
> > launching my own totally free site, but I am concerned
> > that if he manages to register 'geocaching' that I cannot
> > use that word in my company name. Ah... that's right, I'm
> > based in Australia, America trademarks mean nothing over
> > here. :)
> > 1x to the real geocachers, 0x to Jeremy Irish.
> I don't see the point in attempting to vilify Mr. Irish.
> Although I disagree with him on a number of points, the fact
> remains that he has created an excellent web site that is
> both very attractive and highly functional, and that
> provides great service to the majority of the participants
> in the geocaching hobby. He has also gone to great lengths
> to promote the hobby in the media. I lack personal
> knowledge of his motives and won't speculate on them. I
> will however note that so far, he has permitted access to
> the web site at no charge.
> As for the reported application seeking a federal trademark
> registration in the United States, apparently no
> registration has yet issued and the application may even be
> abandoned. I have heard of no instances where Mr. Irish has
> complained about or threatened action against anyone for
> trademark infringement. No one but Jeremy knows what his
> motivation was for seeking trademark protection, but there
> are as many possible altruistic explanations as there are
> nefarious ones. For just one example, a properly policed
> trademark could be quite beneficial in protecting the hobby
> against commercial squatters seeking to undeservedly
> appropriate for themselves various proprietary rights.
> If I had a "pipeline to the truth", as some posters here
> seem to think they have, I'm sure I'd be far too occupied
> placing winning bets on stocks or horses to post here.
> Ordinarily I wouldn't bother to defend Mr. Irish (he can do
> that himself), but I feel this attack is unjustified and
> Irish has stated he won't be participating here.

wrong! I am the owner of and he has done nothing but
let me know in the past that if I used the word Geocaching on my main
board I was in trouble, not to mention what happened with Buxley. And
who left it to Jeremy to decide what is good for the sport and what
isn't? as for the media, 90% of his own linked articles on his site
came from the geocachers contacting the news, I myself did it over 4
times in NY. I am just sitting back and waiting for something to