I like what --- patrick wrote about a reoccurring comment from geocachers: > "I've lived here all my life and never knew > this was here"? And I like some of the other replies as well. I plan to bring up the forgiveness v. permission issue, but it's a dead-end topic. The candidates I have in mind are advocates of the sport and would definitely want to know about a potential cache up front. Also, at least one ranger I've already talked to is enthusiastic about the clientele that geocaching has been bringing to the park, and has noted an increase in benevolence directly related to gadget lovers "discovering" what the park has to offer. I'm hoping I can get them to talk about how they use the forums to "manage" the caches in their area. Can anyone cite any log files, or give other examples of rangers that have used one of the web sites to notify a cache owner that a cache is in need of maintenance? - Doug Adomatis