David Rinke II <>
Sent: 9/17/2008 1:07:38 PM

Re: [GPSstash] Suspicious pipe part of online treasure hunt

I agree - I have been suspended a few times because of arguing on the forums about that kind of thing. They make a large number of rules, and make a large number of hoops that you need to jump through to get a cache published, often only to say "nope" with no explanation other than to contact the people in charge - AKA Jeremy.

It is his website - but the kinds of decisions like the one you state, and other ones like restricting anything with any flavor of commericialism or support of any issue, are far in excess of what needs to be done for a game. Your issue is far more important than the ones I talk about, because of the possible damage to the game because of problems with them. But still...



Check out to see what this is all about!

----- Original Message ----
From: Randy A. Hefner
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 9:27:33 AM
Subject: Re: [GPSstash] Suspicious pipe part of online treasure hunt

Groundspeak seems to have an indifference to this type of behavior. I have a personal experience to share.

I live in Newton, NC, USA. A new Groundspeak geocache popped up on my email account. It was within a few miles of my home.

I looked at the map and what I saw concerned me. It looked like it was placed under a bridge on a major highway! It was not an interstate highway, but it was a heavily used STATE highway...Highway 70 in North Carolina.

I confirmed that the cache was hidden under the bridge! I contacted my local reviewer and expressed my concerns that the activity around and under the bridge might draw bad press for Groundspeak. I quoted the rules/guidelines stating that caches should not be placed on or near bridges.

The response from the reviewer surprised me! He seemed angry that I quoted the rules and said he knows it is under the bridge and after talking with the "owner", he felt it was fine as placed.

I found this just unbelievable! Groundspeak seems to be divorcing itself "legally" from the caches to the extent that it will draw the bad press it doesn't want!

Why any geocacher would use any item that may resemble a bomb (i.e. pipes, electronics, packages near structures like bridges) just baffles me. In the state of awareness everyone is in concerning terrorism, it just begs for trouble to place such geocaches.

I used to use ammo cans. I always painted over the "military markings". I have stopped using them. In the deep woods, they would be fine, but I have started using Lock-N-Locks. They don't appear as "dangerous" as an ammo can.

In urban hides, I typically use micros. Anything else might draw unwanted attention.

To sum it up, Groundspeak seems to be suffering from multiple personalities. They, on one hand, want to post rules controlling almost every aspect of geocaching (obviously an attempt to insulate themselves from lawsuits). On the other, they go out of their way to NOT enforce those rules!

----- Original Message -----
From: Scout
To: gpsstash@yahoogroup
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:47 AM
Subject: [GPSstash] Suspicious pipe part of online treasure hunt

Nevada: "A bomb squad investigated a suspicious pipe dropped off in
front of a Carson City business Tuesday only to find the item was part
of an electronic treasure hunt."

That's right...geocaching.

Read more here: http://tinylink. com/?g08hulXgO9

This sentence stood out: "Messages left with Groundspeak Inc., which
runs www.geocaching. com, were not returned Tuesday."


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